We Would Be Dead
A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
Episodes

Tuesday Dec 22, 2020
Scary Ghost Stories (Victorian Christmas Tales)
Tuesday Dec 22, 2020
Tuesday Dec 22, 2020
Gather 'round the fire fiends and let's bring back a time honored tradition: Christmastime ghost stories. This episode is perfect for a chilly and festive evening. Holly is reading you the classic chiller The Kit Bag by Algernon Blackwood, Leslie is reading the festive hide and seek scare fest 'Smee by A.M. Burrage, and finally, Holly offers an original ghost story in the traditional style called Mrs. Grove. We hope you enjoy, and maybe if all of us get on board, we can bring this fantastic tradition back to life. Merry Christmas, fiends!
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Tuesday Dec 15, 2020
Freaks, Geeks and Sideshow History (Interview: Jason Lutz)
Tuesday Dec 15, 2020
Tuesday Dec 15, 2020
Step right up fiends, we're taking a trip to the sideshow! Join us as we explore the fascinating history of this uniquely American art form. Holly explores the roots of the side show and some of it's most famous human exhibits, Leslie recounts the haunting story of the Lobster Boy murders, and we have our first guest! Join WWBD as we explore the world of the modern sideshow from the perspective someone who lives it. Show organizer and performer Jason Lutz, AKA Mister E The Clown Prince of darkness, takes us behind the curtain for a unique look at the art, the magic and the reality of a working sideshow performer.
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Tuesday Dec 08, 2020
Better Watch Out (The West Covina Christmas Eve Massacre)
Tuesday Dec 08, 2020
Tuesday Dec 08, 2020
It was Christmas Eve 2008, and the Ortega family of West Covina, California, were enjoying the tail end of their annual Christmas Eve bash. Suddenly, there was a knock at the door. It appeared that Santa Clause had come to town, only this time he didn't bring presents, he brought a small arsenal. As you may have guessed, the Santa in question hadn't come down from the North Pole. No, Bruce Pardo, the man behind the beard, had driven a rental car from his Montrose home to the Ortega's house with one goal and one goal only, and that was to annihilate them all. Hang on to your jingle bells fiends, because this week we tell the story of the baddest Santa there ever was.
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Tuesday Dec 01, 2020
Hidden (Elves)
Tuesday Dec 01, 2020
Tuesday Dec 01, 2020
Every year on Thanksgiving eve, they descend from the heavens to delight children and frustrate parents the world over. Elves. Whether on shelves, at the north pole, on Santa's sleigh, or at Macy's snapping a keepsake photo, elves are usually distinctly bonded to Christmas. Surprisingly enough, though, our diminutive misfit friends only made their way into the big man's employment in the late 1800s; their dark and mysterious history, however, goes back so much further. Join WWBD as we explore a time when elves were sickness-causing, blindingly attractive, kidnapping, forest dwellers. It's time for a lesson in dark history fiends, let's talk elves!
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Tuesday Nov 24, 2020
The Unthinkable (Chris Watts)
Tuesday Nov 24, 2020
Tuesday Nov 24, 2020
On August 13th, 2018, Shanann Watts and her two daughters. Bella and Celeste went missing from their Fredrick, Colorado, home. When young, healthy, and well-liked people go missing, we never want to assume the unthinkable has happened, but in this case, it had. The truth that unfurled over the next three days would shock the entire country and create a new landmark in this history of American crime. In this heavily requested and sometimes difficult to process episode, WWBD explores the unthinkable actions of Chris Watts.
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Tuesday Nov 17, 2020
The Question of Sanity (Dennis Nilsen, part 2)
Tuesday Nov 17, 2020
Tuesday Nov 17, 2020
On February 8th, 1983, the residents of number 23 Cranley Gardens, located in a small North London suburb eagerly awaited the arrival of drain cleaning company Dyno-rod. The clogged drains had been a nuisance for a while and resolving this situation would surely be a huge relief; when the drain cleaner arrived, however, he would discover one of the most horrifying scenes in British true crime history. This discovery would launch investigators down the bizarre and sadistic trail of narcissist and serial killer, Dennis Nilsen.
In part two of our investigation we explore Dennis's confession, conviction, trial and incarceration. In typical WWBD fashion we also dive deep into Dennis's psychological evaluations and tell the stories of three of his surviving victims.
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The Real Des Documentary
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Tuesday Nov 10, 2020
Under the Floorboards (Dennis Nilsen, part 1)
Tuesday Nov 10, 2020
Tuesday Nov 10, 2020
On February 8th, 1983, the residents of number 23 Cranley Gardens, located in a small North London suburb eagerly awaited the arrival of drain cleaning company Dyno-rod. The clogged drains had been a nuisance for a while and resolving this situation would surely be a huge relief; when the drain cleaner arrived, however, he would discover one of the most horrifying scenes in British true crime history. This discovery would launch investigators down the bizarre and sadistic trail of narcissist and serial killer, Dennis Nilsen.
In part one of our two-part investigation, we explore where Dennis came from and lay out the details of the crimes he committed. Next week we will discuss his confession, legal case and ultimately what makes a man like Dennis tick.
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The Real Des Documentary
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Saturday Oct 31, 2020
WWBD Presents 30-Minute Horror: Halloween (1978)
Saturday Oct 31, 2020
Saturday Oct 31, 2020
Surprise! You didn't think we'd leave you hanging on Halloween did you? NEVER! Only the best for our Hallofiends! As our gift to you, please enjoy another free 30 minute horror movie to celebrate the end of an excellent spooky season, though, it's always spooky season for us. We hope you enjoy 30 minute Halloween!

Tuesday Oct 27, 2020
Wait in the attic (Villisca and Hinterkaifeck Axe murders)
Tuesday Oct 27, 2020
Tuesday Oct 27, 2020
10 years and 4,500 miles apart, two entire families had their lives tragically cut short with the blunt side of an axe. Though the families had nothing in common, the crimes were shockingly the same. This week, WWBD closes out "Axetober" with the stories of the Moore family murders in Villisca Iowa in 1912, and The Gruber family murders in Hinterkaifeck, Germany, in 1922. Both family murders were never solved.
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Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
Arrested Decay (Eastern State Penitentiary)
Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
On October 25th 1829 Eastern State Penitentiary opened it's imposing Gothic doors. Touted as "the first Penitentiary" Eastern State claimed to revolutionize incarceration by doing away with physical punishment and keeping every prisoner in solitary confinement, but as we all know "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". Join WWBD for a deep dive into Eastern's State's incredibly dark history from it's strict religious beginnings to it's current life as a museum and haunted attraction. This episode has just about everything you could possibly want from a spooky podcast so buckle up, you're in for quite a ride!
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About Us
We are Holly & Leslie, the hosts of We Would Be Dead. A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history, and the devil in the details. Above all else we recognize that if we had to walk a mile in any of the stories that we tell, we would be dead.




