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A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
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Wednesday Jan 18, 2023
Discord (The Mishandled Murder of Bianca Devins)
Wednesday Jan 18, 2023
Wednesday Jan 18, 2023
Discord: D I S C O R D. A lack of agreement or harmony. A combination of sounds that strikes the ear harshly. Discord.
6:45 AM, on July 14th 2019. The eastern united states is beginning to wake up and scroll through their social media. The day was warm and sunny and a group of young adults in Utica New York was about to unwillingly witness a step by step account of a terrible murder.
After a series of cryptic posts on Instagram from the user @yesjuliet and similar posts on Discord from the user @aperatia, both accounts (same user) posted a picture of a beautiful young girl lying dead in his car. The user was a man named Brandon Andrew Clark, and friends and internet acquaintances immediately recognized the girl as Bianca Michelle Devins.
This week's case takes us on a journey through every parents worst nightmare. We've said it before and we'll say it again, the internet is a scary place.
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Rolling Stone "17 year old girl was murdered. How did photos of her death go viral?"
* no more links this week. We don't want to inadvertently lead you to traumatic photos that do not belong online.
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Wednesday Jan 11, 2023
Hopelessly Devoted (The murder of Dr. Joseph Sonnier)
Wednesday Jan 11, 2023
Wednesday Jan 11, 2023
It's a Leslie-sode!!! Happy New Years and welcome back after our little holiday break. We have a case filled with twists and turns. So settle in, because it's going to be a wild ride.
Dr. Joseph Sonnier was a well respected pathologist from Lubbock, Texas who was found shot and stabbed in his home on July 11th, 2012. Investigators quickly theorized this had not been a robbery gone wrong, but a personal attack. But who would want the doctor dead and why? With a list of family and friends to talk to, investigators were left with more questions than answers. Someone had to know something, and luckily someone did...
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Inside Texas Doctor’s Plot to Kill Rival Doctor in Love Triangle
Day Twelve: Thomas Dixon Murder Trial, Sonnier autopsy results revealed
Where Is Ex-Plastic Surgeon Dr. Thomas Michael Dixon Now?
Dateline NBC: Lone Star Obssession
The Murder Project
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Saturday Dec 24, 2022
Scary Ghost Stories Vol. 3 (Victorian Christmas Tales)
Saturday Dec 24, 2022
Saturday Dec 24, 2022
Gather 'round the fire fiends and let's bring back a time honored tradition...again! Christmastime ghost stories. Another episode perfect for a chilly and festive evening. Merry Christmas, fiends!
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Thursday Dec 22, 2022
Haunted (A Christmas Carol)
Thursday Dec 22, 2022
Thursday Dec 22, 2022
There is no phrase one can utter that draws a more visceral christmas response, than Bah, Humbug. And so it is with great joy and depth of feeling that this holiday season we bring you an exploration into this the most famous and meaningful of ghost stories. It may be decked with Holly and frosted with snow, but at it’s heart a Christmas carol is a most glorious ghost story, and we hope all the things you learn today will haunt your house pleasantly forever more.
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Washington Post Tiny Tim article
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Wednesday Dec 14, 2022
Tornado (Tommy Lynn Sells, Part 2)
Wednesday Dec 14, 2022
Wednesday Dec 14, 2022
What do a ceramic duck, watermelon plates, an episode of 20/20 and a bunk bed have in common? It may seem like nothing, but they're are all integral turning points in one of the twistiest cases we have ever covered. Oh, and this one is extra shocking because it involves a serial killer Holly had never heard of...which doesn't happen too often.
In the second part of our deep dive into serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells we tell the incredible survival story of Krystal Surles, the most bad ass little girl to ever walk the planet. Krystal not only survived having her throat slit, but in the end she single handedly brought down a tornado of hate and violence, cheers Krystal, cheers forever! Then we tie it all together in one big horrifying bow.
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CBS interview with Krystal, Marques and officer Johnny Allen
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Tourists aid victim slashed in violent Fourth Street Live knife attack
Clint Malarchuk Neck Injury Full Video
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Thursday Dec 08, 2022
Fox in the Henhouse (Tommy Lynn Sells)
Thursday Dec 08, 2022
Thursday Dec 08, 2022
What do a ceramic duck, watermelon plates, an episode of 20/20 and a bunk bed have in common? No guesses? Well we won't reveal everything but let's just say that they're are all integral turning points in one of the twistiest cases we have ever covered. Oh, and this one is extra shocking because it involves a serial killer Holly had never heard of...which doesn't happen too often.
We begin the exploration of this long and winding road with three stories. 1. The grizzly, terrifying and unexplained murders of the Dardeen family. 2. The murder of Joel Kirkpartric and subsequent wrongful conviction of his mother, Julie Rae. 3. The jaw dropping survival story of Fabienne Witherspoon.
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Wednesday Nov 23, 2022
Gobble Gobble (30 Minute Thankskilling 3)
Wednesday Nov 23, 2022
Wednesday Nov 23, 2022
Happy Thanksgiving fiends! We’re taking the week off to spend time with our loved ones (let’s be real, Holly’s leaving the country), but we couldn't leave you hanging on a holiday! We know a lot of you will be spending time in the car so here’s a little treat we recorded for our patrons a year ago. This is, by far the strangest, sickest, most turkey-centric film we have ever seen, and that’s saying something. Please enjoy this fast paced, incredibly chaotic fever dream! Gobble Gobble ********** !
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Thankskilling 3 on Rotten Tomatoes
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Friday Nov 18, 2022
Her Name is Ruth Terry (The Lady of the Dunes)
Friday Nov 18, 2022
Friday Nov 18, 2022
This week we’re taking on a case that had a super important update recently. In 1974 while on vacation with her family in Provincetown Massachusetts, 12 year old Leslie Metcalf stumbled upon a gruesome murder sense, one that would remain a mystery for nearly fifty years. The victim was simply known as “the lady of the dunes". No one knew who she was, what happened to her, or if anyone was looking for her... But thanks to DNA analysis and modern genealogy websites this decades old cold case is one step closer to being solved. The victim has been identified as 37 year old Ruth Marie Terri, and her story is far from over.
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Thursday Nov 10, 2022
The Man, The Myth, The Monster (Count Dracula)
Thursday Nov 10, 2022
Thursday Nov 10, 2022
There is much about the myth of the vampire that science will never understand. They crawl from their graves, blood running from their mouths trailing mist in search of innocent victims to join them in monstrosity. They are alluring in their terror and terrifying in their allure, and human kind will never cease to wonder if they are simply a legend, or if there is much more.
This week we explore the origins of most famous and enduring vampire of all time: Count Dracula. If you're thinking this will be a whole episode on Vlad The Impaler, think again. There is so much more to the iconic count than one Transylvanian tyrant with a pointy nose.
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Tuesday Nov 01, 2022
Michael Myers Unmasked (a conversation with Tony Moran)
Tuesday Nov 01, 2022
Tuesday Nov 01, 2022
Happy Halloween fiends! Today we have a very very special treat for you all. A few days ago Holly got the opportunity to chat with the original face of Michael Myers, actor, legend and horror icon: Tony Moran. Now, if you’re a long time listener here you know how exciting and meaningful this was for us. We here at WWBD are huge Michael Myers fans. If you like behind the scenes stories and one of a kind insights into the meteoric rise of a little horror movie that could, well then this interview for you. I’m Holly, My guest is Tony Moran and this is a we would be dead special episode!
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About Us
We are Holly & Leslie, the hosts of We Would Be Dead. A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history, and the devil in the details. Above all else we recognize that if we had to walk a mile in any of the stories that we tell, we would be dead.