We Would Be Dead
A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
Episodes

Wednesday Aug 18, 2021
Diamonds are Forever (30 Minute Twilight)
Wednesday Aug 18, 2021
Wednesday Aug 18, 2021
Welcome to a sneak peek into our patrons only content, fiends! This week's episode is a bit of a diversion from our usual content. The episode starts with an opening written by all of you! We had so much fun in our Facebook group playing pass the scary story that we decided to bring our creation to life and give it the full opening treatment. Then Holly and Leslie attempt to summarize the movie Twilight in thirty heart pounding, hilarious, minutes. They both still have hives. We hope you enjoy this summer vacation of an episode, and for more content like it, come support us on Patreon!
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Wednesday Aug 04, 2021
Tagged Me To Hell (Khalil Wheeler-Weaver)
Wednesday Aug 04, 2021
Wednesday Aug 04, 2021
In the late summer of 2016, in Essex county New Jersey, women began showing up in abandoned houses, dead. These women had their faces covered eyes to chin in duct tape, they had been sexually assaulted, then strangled with an article of clothing and left to disappear into the ether.
These crimes all had a direct but circumstantial trail back to a clean cut, twenty year old, orange county man named Khalil Wheeler-Weaver, but, his victims were sex workers who lived in the most depressed parts of town. We've seen this before, so it should come as no surprise to any of us that the police did not pursue Khalil based on his clean cut and harmless appearance, and let the deaths of these women fall between the cracks in turn, based on theirs.
But that's not the end of our story this week. When authorities failed to solve this case, the women effected by it, did. In a time when we all feel helpless, and at the mercy of our circumstances, this story shows that with a little ingenuity even the most seemingly impossible justice can be served.
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NorthJersey.com 's excellent coverage of this case. Our primary source.
Video coverage featuring interviews with Family Members and survivor Tiffany Taylor
Insight on this case and "the absence of sympathy for black women" By Raven J. James
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Tuesday Jul 27, 2021
Sunday The 5th (The Lake Bodom Murders)
Tuesday Jul 27, 2021
Tuesday Jul 27, 2021
On Sunday June 5th 1960, at Finland's scenic Lake Bodom, the sun had risen at 4:04 AM. By 11:00 AM the heat of the day had already set in and carpenter Esko Johannson and his son were ready for a swim. While floating along happily the pair noticed something strange on the Lake's far shore. A tent appeared to be laying trampled on the ground. Esko went to investigate, and upon further inspection realized the the little campsite was soaked in blood and four bodies lay tangled in the fallen canvas of the tent. The investigation that followed uncovered one of the most baffling mysteries in Finnish true crime history. Before Sleepaway Camp, Before Friday the 13th, Before AHS 1984, there was Lake Bodom. What makes this story the most frightening entry in the summer camp murder cannon, is that it's all true.
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Further reading. Some details are hazy due to the translation
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Tuesday Jul 20, 2021
The Boogeyman (Albert Fish)
Tuesday Jul 20, 2021
Tuesday Jul 20, 2021
*Graphic Content Warning* This one is not for the feint of heart or weak of stomach.
On June 3rd 1928, ten year old Grace Budd left her family home in Manhattan with a friendly old man who had promised her mother he was taking her to a birthday party. The old man had offered Grace's brother a job on his farm in Farmingdale the week before. His name was Mr. Howard, and his soft voice, generosity and grandfatherly manner made it easy for little Grace to trust him. Unfortunately Grace would never return from this trip, and the police would reveal that a farm owner named "Mr. Howard" never existed. The five year search to find Grace and her killer would open the most vile can of worms in American true crime history. Albert Fish was the monster under the bed. The most terrifying man to ever lurk in the shadows. All of his other nicknames, "The Werewolf of Wisteria", "The Brooklyn Vampire", "The Moon Maniac", fail to capture what he was. Only one title truly fits him, Albert Fish was The Boogeyman.
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Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
Blinded by the Light (Britney Spears)
Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
Wednesday Jul 14, 2021
This episode examines curious case of the rise, fall, and inexplicable captivity of Britney Spears. We talk about who Britney is, where she came from, what she has accomplished and how she got to be in such an impossibly binding conservatorship. We delve into the #FreeBritney movement and explain what a conservatorship is and how it should be used.
If you or someone you know is being abused by a guardian, please follow the link below to the National Association to stop Guardian Abuse.
It's Britney time b*tch.
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An official word from the ACLU
Dr. Phil's formal statement
The National Association to Stop Guardian Abuse website
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Tuesday Jul 06, 2021
Thicker Than Water (The Papin Sisters)
Tuesday Jul 06, 2021
Tuesday Jul 06, 2021
On Thursday February 2, 1933, retired solicitor René Lancelin returned home from a dinner party to find his house had locked from the inside. He had been waiting for his wife Léonie and daughter Genevieve to join him at the party, and became concerned when they never arrived. The house, it seemed, had also been plunged into complete darkness. The only glimmer of light visible was the flicker of a candle glowing from the window of the maid's quarters. After calling the police and fighting their way inside the house, René and the officers discovered the bodies of both Lancelin women on the home's first floor landing. The women had been brutally murdered and horrifically mutilated. Now, fearing for the safety of the household maids, sisters named Christine and Léa Papin, whose candle he had observed upon arrival, René had the police break into their room. When they did, they were met with a sight that French criminologists are still struggling to explain today. The two sisters were sitting in silence on their shared bed, completely naked, with a blood soaked hammer on the bed side table. What drove these two mild mannered house maids to commit an act so violent and vile? This week we dig into the complicated conundrum of the Papin Sisters to see if we can find out!
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The second wound (resource for victims of familial abuse)
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Tuesday Jun 29, 2021
Just A Girl (Gwen Amber Rose Araujo)
Tuesday Jun 29, 2021
Tuesday Jun 29, 2021
On October 3rd, 2002, Gwen Amber Rose Araujo was at home in Newark California, getting ready to attend a party. She put on her brand new skirt, borrowed a floaty peasant blouse from her mother, and said goodbye to her family. Little did anyone know, this would be the last time Gwen ever saw her family alive. Later that night she would be brutally murdered by 4 men who claimed to have gone into a panic after discovering she was trans.
Gwen Araujo's landmark case would go on to change the laws in California, making the gay and trans panic defense invalid in a court of law. Gwen's murderers may not have faced the justice they deserved, but her legacy has sparked nation wide change. This week we celebrate Pride month by telling her story. We hope you all feel outraged and inspired by the end. In honor of Gwen, We Would Be Dead has made donations to the Sylvia Rivera Law Project, and Gwen's mother, Sylvia Guerrero's GoFundME, We encourage you to to do the same. Links Below.
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Sylvia Rivera Law Project
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Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
Twist and Shout (MarineSniper and Brian Barrett & Angela Diaz and Michelle Hadley )
Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
Wednesday Jun 23, 2021
This week we bring you two stories, with a twist! These are the cases from our live show on June 19th. We initially wanted to release live audio, but the recording was not up to our standards, so please enjoy the full podcast treatment! Leslie brings you the story of "TalHotBlond" which takes catfishing as we know it to the next level. Holly brings you "Prince Charming" The story of a supposed love triangle that turns into something far more sinister. Stick around after the credits for a clip of the actual live event. Thanks to everyone who came out and supported us!
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Tuesday Jun 15, 2021
Is Dorothy Home? (Dorothy Jane Scott)
Tuesday Jun 15, 2021
Tuesday Jun 15, 2021
Fiends! It’s a Lesliesode!!!! On May 28, 1980, Dorothy Jane Scott disappeared. The next day they found her car on fire. The search continued for 4 years until they found her body buried underneath animal bones, just miles from where she was last seen. Prior to her disappearance Dorothy received phone calls from a mysterious man confessing feelings of love, hate, and violence. Who was Dorothy’s stalker? Holly may have figured it out…
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Crime Clipping from Santa Ana Orange County Register, Thu, Aug 16, 1984.
Freelance Star Newspaper Clipping - August 20, 1984
Telephone Games from True Crime Diary
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Wednesday Jun 09, 2021
Dirty Little Secret (Ed Kemper)
Wednesday Jun 09, 2021
Wednesday Jun 09, 2021
On April 25th 1973 the Santa Cruz California police department received a strange call from a phone booth in the little town of Pueblo Colorado. Ge claimed to have killed his mother and her best friend, and then gone on the run, but that was just the beginning of it. Edmund Kemper, also known as (shudder) the coed killer, is the most notorious serial killer you may have never heard of. Ed brutally murdered eleven women and one man, but he didn't just kill them, oh no, he had a particular interest in decapitation and necrophilia. Ed's crime's began when he murdered his grandparents at just fifteen years old and ended with his mother's hideously gruesome murder just 9 years later. Ed is not just a cold blooded murderer though, he is master manipulator, a legal genius and the reason criminal profiling is as advanced as it is today. Edmund Kemper is arguably the most influential case is modern crime, and one that is referenced time and time again. File this one away in your crime primer fiends because you'll see pieces of it appear time and time again. Ed is credited as one half of the inspiration for the character of Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs (the other half being one of our former subjects, the ghoul of Plainfield, Ed Gein) and his story is prominently featured in the hit Netflix true crime drama series Mindhunter.
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1984 prison interview
1991 extended prison interview
Kemper on Kemper: Inside the Mind of a Serial Killer
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About Us
We are Holly & Leslie, the hosts of We Would Be Dead. A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history, and the devil in the details. Above all else we recognize that if we had to walk a mile in any of the stories that we tell, we would be dead.




