We Would Be Dead
A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history and the devil in the details.
Episodes

Tuesday Sep 29, 2020
House of 1000 Leaves (Matthew Hoffman)
Tuesday Sep 29, 2020
Tuesday Sep 29, 2020
4:00 in the evening, on November 10th 2010 came and went and Tina Herrmann never showed up for her shift at the Mt. Vernon, Ohio Dairy Queen. After their shifts had ended, her coworkers set out to find what had held Tina up. Little did they know that they would uncover one of the strangest and most terrifying events in recent history, an event that would lead the police to the strange, leaf filled home of one Matthew Hoffman. Pull up a rake fiends, and join us for this dark and twisted journey.
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Sarah Maynard interview
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Tuesday Sep 22, 2020
Beautiful Boy (Barbara Daly Baekeland)
Tuesday Sep 22, 2020
Tuesday Sep 22, 2020
Barbara Daly Baekland had it all. Money, power, timeless beauty, a handsome husband and a loving son. This gorgeous socialite was American royalty who lived an untouchable life. How then, did she wind up dead on her kitchen floor at just 51 years old? A single knife wound and a horrifying secret would come to reveal that Barbara Daly Baekeland's life was not all that it appeared to be. Join WWBD for this sordid tale of love, sex, betrayal, manipulation and old Hollywood glamour that's sure to leave you gobsmacked and breathless!
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Samuel Addams Green piece
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Wednesday Sep 16, 2020
Bringing The Heat (Thomas Sweatt)
Wednesday Sep 16, 2020
Wednesday Sep 16, 2020
WWBD is heating up this week! Leslie takes the reins and tells a story about America’s most prolific serial arsonist. In 2005, arson investigators arrested Thomas Sweatt, a 50 year old KFC Fry Cook, for a slew of arsons in and around the Washington, DC area. They were arresting him for only a handful of recent arsons, but he would go on to confess to 353 fires dating back almost 30 years and killing at least 4 people.
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Read the book my research was based on:
Thomas Sweat: Inside the Mind of DC's Most Notorious Arsonist by Jonathan Riffe
Washington City Paper: Letters From an Arsonist
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Tuesday Sep 08, 2020
Drink Me (Poison)
Tuesday Sep 08, 2020
Tuesday Sep 08, 2020
Nothing is more mysterious and poetic than poison. But, have you ever stopped to consider why? There is poetry in poison and this week we explore the ins and outs of how it works, who uses it and why. Join us for a deep dive into poisons and poisoners from the historic and infamous, to the modern and obscure.
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A Psychological Profile of a Poisoner
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Tuesday Sep 01, 2020
Just Have Faith (Faith Hedgepeth)
Tuesday Sep 01, 2020
Tuesday Sep 01, 2020
On the morning of September 7, 2012, Karena Rosario found her roommate Faith Hedgepeth, a 19-year-old third-year student at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC), bludgeoned to death in her off-campus apartment. Despite finding DNA evidence and a note possibly left by her killer among other compelling pieces of evidence, not a single person has been charged with her murder. The police are still trying to figure out who killed her and why.
This is a frustrating one, fiends. While there are no answers to this unsolved mystery, WWBD dives deep into the case study and explores every possible angle.
Police Documents
Crime Watch Daily Episode
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Tuesday Aug 25, 2020
Frozen (The incident at Dyatlov Pass)
Tuesday Aug 25, 2020
Tuesday Aug 25, 2020
On February 1, 1959, nine experienced hiker/skiers trekked up the remote Ural mountains, the made camp after a day of journeying, by morning all nine were dead. What happened to this intrepid group has puzzled sleuths both amateur and professional since. In this episode WWBD explores many of the wild theories surrounding this unfortunate incident, and dives into why, after so may years, we still don't know for sure which one is correct. Strap in fiends, because this one is a wild ride!
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Tuesday Aug 18, 2020
The Monster in the Man (Jeffery Dahmer Part 2)
Tuesday Aug 18, 2020
Tuesday Aug 18, 2020
Welcome back for part 2 of Jeffrey Dahmer, WWBD's examination of one of the world's most notorious serial killers ! This week we dive into Jeff's crimes and confessions, it's the all murder and courtroom edition. Hang on to your hats fiends because this is a graphic one. Last week we brought you the man inside the monster, and this week we truly see the monster in the man. *All sound clips are taken from Stone Phillips' 1994 interview with Jeffrey Dahmer, which originally aired on NBC, and can be found in full in the link below.
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Dahmer Interview with Stone Phillips (YouTube)
Lionel and Shari Dahmer Interview with Larry King (YouTube)
Joyce Flint (Dahmer) Interview in Hard Copy (YouTube)
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Tuesday Aug 11, 2020
The Man in the Monster - (Jeffrey Dahmer, part 1)
Tuesday Aug 11, 2020
Tuesday Aug 11, 2020
On July 22, 1991, two Milwaukee police officers entered the apartment of a tall blond man they thought had gotten a little overzealous with a lover. The house of horrors they would go on to discover would forever change the landscape of crime in American, and ensure that the name Jeffrey Dahmer would live forever in infamy the world over.
In this the first of two episodes covering the infamous Milwaukee cannibal, we take a deep diver into Jeffrey Dahmer's childhood and adolescence. We here at WWBD are always trying to figure out where the man ends and the monster begins. Where do criminals this heinous come from, and are there red flags we can look for on the way? Let's find out!
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Dahmer Interview with Stone Phillips (YouTube)
Lionel and Shari Dahmer Interview with Larry King (YouTube)
Joyce Flint (Dahmer) Interview in Hard Copy (YouTube)
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Tuesday Aug 04, 2020
She Wasn't Like That - (Morgan Ingram)
Tuesday Aug 04, 2020
Tuesday Aug 04, 2020
When it comes to the people we love, we truly see what we want to see. After all, it's hard to accept that we may love someone and not truly know them. The human brain is designed to fill in the blanks in the most efficient way, so we assume that if a person seems happy, well, then, they are. Sooner or later however, if there are cracks in the connections we have made, they begin to show, and then we have to make a choice: do we want to see the truth, or not?
On the morning of December 2nd, 2011, Toni Ingram walked into her daughter Morgan's room to let out her puppy, but she never could have imagined what was waiting for her on the other side of that door. What follows is a tale of weighing what we know, what we believe, and what the evidence tells us is true. Was Morgan murdered? We may never truly know.
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Police Records, Lab Report and Autopsy
Stalking Reports
Stalker Video
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Tuesday Jul 28, 2020
Betrayed by the Familiar - (The Cheshire Murders)
Tuesday Jul 28, 2020
Tuesday Jul 28, 2020
It's hard to wrap our head around a complete stranger wanting to invade our safe space and do us bodily harm for no reason. Violent home invasions that occur completely at random are among everyone's worst fear. They seem terrifyingly possible, and yet impossible at the same time.
This week, WWBD takes a look into one of the most horrific home invasions the United States has ever seen. On July 23, 2007, Joshua Komisarjevsky and Steven Hayes invaded the home of the Petit family in idyllic Cheshire, Connecticut. The events that followed are so terrifying that it leaves us to wonder if and when we are ever really safe. Linked below is the full poem used in this week's opening, all the charges against Joshua Komisarjevsky and Stephen Hayes, and a YouTube link to the documentary mentioned for those of us who do not have HBO... and it does, in fact, start with trees.
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Joshua Komisarjevsky journal (Humanity's Social Hypocrisy)
Court Documents (Scribd)
The Cheshire Murders (YouTube)
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About Us
We are Holly & Leslie, the hosts of We Would Be Dead. A weekly true crime podcast that finds humanity in the darkness, humor in the history, and the devil in the details. Above all else we recognize that if we had to walk a mile in any of the stories that we tell, we would be dead.




